tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post1719041099885107721..comments2024-01-06T02:00:05.220-07:00Comments on SprinklerBandits: Riding Vs TrainingSprinklerBandithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02948487857418394022noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-25492904355932401472016-08-26T07:12:50.911-06:002016-08-26T07:12:50.911-06:00Commenting as I ride horses and motorcycles, and a...Commenting as I ride horses and motorcycles, and am finding myself more and more interested in racing. <br /><br />Correct is what is needed at that moment, by horse/bike AND rider. <br /><br />Judgmental and quite pitiful to not understand what is being said. If I wasn't so desperately attached to my Superhawk, I would offer her as an example of a ride that demands perfection. Courage has been brought along carefully and thoroughly, which I find admirable in a time of immediate gratification. <br />Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17442210791638198757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-31023730604457095542016-07-27T16:39:06.604-06:002016-07-27T16:39:06.604-06:00A correct position is an effective position... and...A correct position is an effective position... and I will 100% stand by that. Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15902291220984883182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-78313623464700459642016-07-26T18:15:41.719-06:002016-07-26T18:15:41.719-06:00My instructor tells me that there are pretty rider...My instructor tells me that there are pretty riders and effective riders. Not all pretty riders are effective and not all effective riders are pretty. Either way, you still have to start with a decent position! I think you look great and are obviously doing something right to have achieved such beautiful results with Courage! Well done - you should be proud of yourself and your handsome boy!Ridewhoreredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023302594562190276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-29514342644070380862016-07-26T14:48:51.721-06:002016-07-26T14:48:51.721-06:00Yup, this exactly. :-) Yup, this exactly. :-) SprinklerBandithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948487857418394022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-16155375693940744772016-07-26T03:26:49.922-06:002016-07-26T03:26:49.922-06:00My own position has a whole array of weird things ...My own position has a whole array of weird things it does to me. I have been blessed with a body that was apparently custom-designed for the saddle, so after 15 years you'd swear I'd be better at it, but noooo we still have to sit on our right seatbone and cock our wrist and flop forward and chair seat etc. Then I was riding with a new coach and she said, "Your position isn't nicer because you're riding youngsters. Never judge anyone that's riding a young horse, because they're crooked and arrhythmic and don't give you a comfortable place to sit. On a young horse, you try to be correct, but ultimately do what you need to do for the horse. It's only when you're on a schooled horse that you can really start to smooth our your own position." Ever since I've made time for "position rides" in my older horses' schedules, just doing basic stuff with them and working on my own position, but I never try this with the babies.Firnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07805076661186739474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-90786257362767286942016-07-25T18:52:39.407-06:002016-07-25T18:52:39.407-06:00I am not an expert and my ever leaning self looks ...I am not an expert and my ever leaning self looks like a drunk monkey in a dressage saddle lately bc I haven't been riding in mine but... I would say that it's not just courage that has changed in these pics. Your position appears more correct in the later pics which kinda contradicts the point that position doesn't contribute. You guys are both making progress which is nothing to shrug off. <br /><br />I am definitely in the camp that Correct position leads to more effective riding in most cases. <br /><br />Living the green horse life I fully understand that sometimes I have to do things that might put my body in a different spot or that aren't the most correct but for the most part Annie (and Houston) go the best when I ride them correctly. If my position isn't such that it allows me to use my seat or leg then it's pretty apparent. I'm not naturally inclined to look as nice in a dressage saddle though so I feel your pain. Hillary (equestrian at hart)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04096685013946390911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-32759981954139350382016-07-25T17:43:05.769-06:002016-07-25T17:43:05.769-06:00I've always been a believer that form follows ...I've always been a believer that form follows function ... Except it's undeniable how much better my horse goes when I get myself correct. I was super pleased this weekend with how well Wick went for me... But then kinda wanted to sink into a hole after seeing my position. Now I'm just thinking of how much better he could have gone!! For the most part, I think a lot of riders (including myself here) can get it done with mediocre position but the only way to get to the next level (at lease for me) will be to correct some of my flaws. For me, the issues show up most drastically at the canter. Le sigh, it's a work in progress!emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686949099663199382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-83022405633957528632016-07-25T14:17:37.658-06:002016-07-25T14:17:37.658-06:00The transformation is stunning. Horses do not auto...The transformation is stunning. Horses do not automatically get better or become trained. You should be proud. Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335385366138424092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-10894475440986442162016-07-25T13:41:45.328-06:002016-07-25T13:41:45.328-06:00I think that the point was transitioning Courage f...I think that the point was transitioning Courage from race horse to dressage required some creative thinking and SB now has him to a point where she is confident enough to start working on herself. I didn't take it as a good position isn't necessary. But that is just my interpretation and lord knows that's been wrong before (and maybe even frequently)... :)EventingSaddlebredStylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610596082916022402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-20473129425853887202016-07-25T13:24:50.637-06:002016-07-25T13:24:50.637-06:00Okay switching between a balanced hunt seat positi...Okay switching between a balanced hunt seat position and a balanced dressage position can make for different aids for all horses (even the not sensitive ones), fair enough. But I felt like this post wasn't about changing a balanced, correct position between two disciplines... Or maybe I'm reading it wrong.Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04255900012774193536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-9388174114072217102016-07-25T13:16:13.516-06:002016-07-25T13:16:13.516-06:00I'm not saying that it is detrimental to a hor...I'm not saying that it is detrimental to a horses training. Im saying that some horses mentally can't handle it and you have to take baby steps to get them there. Like right now I've worked on getting Stinker ok with the dressage position but if I were to swap to a jump position he wouldn't immediately understand. He is confident with long legs and a solid seat. Changing that rattles him. It takes time with him and small changes.EventingSaddlebredStylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610596082916022402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-71731651813109820582016-07-25T13:08:47.343-06:002016-07-25T13:08:47.343-06:00See I don't understand this either. The correc...See I don't understand this either. The correct dressage position gets you a) in balance with the horse and b) out of the way of the horse. I can't understand how a correct dressage position is ever detrimental to a horse's training unless the rider is unaware that they are not in a correct position. Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04255900012774193536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-76405872234358396702016-07-25T12:41:19.571-06:002016-07-25T12:41:19.571-06:00First of all Courage has improved so much! I think...First of all Courage has improved so much! I think you are giving him exactly what he needs.<br /><br />Secondly to get into the positional stuff. I do think that in order to be an effective dressage rider you must work on striving for the correct position. But on the other hand when you are retraining a horse you are typically dealing with other issues besides teaching them the "buttons". I put a lot of time and effort into building a relationship with Stinker so I could put my leg on him with out a total meltdown. If I had started with the correct dressage position I wouldn't have been able to have any line of communication with him because he was panicking. Eventually I got to where I could put my leg in the correct position and wait out his panic, but if I had started with that I wouldn't have gotten anywhere.<br /><br />With Pongo, I was able to maintain a more correct position (I'm far from perfect in my position) and I wasn't dealing with any other issues besides normal baby horse things.<br /><br />I agreed that in an ideal world we would all ride correctly and everyone would progress up the levels and all horses would be happy. But just like people some horses have mental hang ups that require some creative thinking before we can get back to the ideal.EventingSaddlebredStylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610596082916022402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-81007711472000663672016-07-25T11:01:48.280-06:002016-07-25T11:01:48.280-06:00I'm also not a pretty rider, and I try really ...I'm also not a pretty rider, and I try really hard not to focus on that. My goal is to be effective, and while correct position will definitely help with that, the nuances between "hunter equitation" position and "cross country" are not something I need to be concerned with at my level. <br /><br />But it's still not always easy to see pictures and not tear my position to shreds. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567094702344719852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-29919225330462471092016-07-25T10:54:56.276-06:002016-07-25T10:54:56.276-06:00While I agree with most of what you're saying,...While I agree with most of what you're saying, I feel like riding correctly has an actual purpose and it isn't just "posing and looking pretty". Yes, we all ride the horse we have, be it a made schoolmaster or a greenie who wrecks your position, but being an effective rider coincides with "looking pretty"in some sense. A flopping, falling forward rider will be incredibly ineffective vs a rider sitting tall and applying aids correctly. Also not saying this is you, speaking in generalizations 100%. Also having been on a greenie who wrecked my position and it is now crap and actually hate how ineffective I am and I'm in the camp of "mostly non-effective rider" at this point.<br /><br />That being said, his transformation is incredible, I think we can all agree. Sexy beassssst.Monica Vhttp://www.tbeventer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-74122507707525492432016-07-25T10:27:10.602-06:002016-07-25T10:27:10.602-06:00He's come such a long way. You are right to fe...He's come such a long way. You are right to feel proud and should definitely toot your own horn once in a while!Careyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03624374504547832814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-37462099633065958222016-07-25T10:10:25.450-06:002016-07-25T10:10:25.450-06:00Have to agree with Megan on this one. Form is fun...Have to agree with Megan on this one. Form is function. You can train a horse to get better without a great position but it is so much easier when your biomechanics are correct. So many times what riders and trainers take as resistance from the horse is either incorrect rider biomechanics OR incorrect choice of training exercise. Not saying the rider has to be perfect to be effective but the closer you come to correct biomechanics the easier everything is as you move up.Exploring Dressage Biomechanicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14859580820686218207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-79636209031424169282016-07-25T09:57:21.338-06:002016-07-25T09:57:21.338-06:00There's a guy I always loved watching back in ...There's a guy I always loved watching back in Indiana. He would bring these outstandingly lovely young horses to the big young horse-geared show. The horses were enormously talented babies. But under him they were SO CONFIDENT, like if he asked them to walk over fire they might just give it a good try. <br /><br />His position in the saddle was deep, plugged in, though super hunched over. But he was balanced, and very kind in his aids. And the horses obviously responded. <br /><br />Did he look like Steffen Peters? No. But I'd argue that his riding was just as good. Austenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004088333430762406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-89271646742228784812016-07-25T08:21:20.393-06:002016-07-25T08:21:20.393-06:00There are several top dressage trainers who look l...There are several top dressage trainers who look like a sack of mashed potatoes strapped into a saddle, but their horses are always lovely. Some aspects of your position do make it easier to train correctly, but others you can let slide. Especially if you have t-Rex arms like I do. I can either have my hands in the correct position, or my elbows bent.... not both. I go with the hands in correct position and look like Frankenstein. Ha! A Work In Progresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14076863943914879567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-647406862592675556.post-36338342028231983312016-07-25T07:25:48.795-06:002016-07-25T07:25:48.795-06:00I love this -- it's not vain at all to be prou...I love this -- it's not vain at all to be proud of what you've built!! TrainwreckInTealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557554448624901955noreply@blogger.com