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But to me, a registered horse just has one more layer of security--something to point to as a value add.
So tell me, people of the internet--are there registries that accept a pedigreed-but-not-papered performance mare? And if there are, are any of them worth the time and money?
How is she bred? Are the parents registered. You "may" be able to do AWSSR- American Warmblood Society and Sporthorse registry.
ReplyDeleteI just looked it up. Pedigree is not a requirement for MMB. You can be registered based on qualifying performance scores as well. Usdf minimum training level test 1 or materiale 62% or higher. Eventing at novice level USEA, or others--- see registry page there is a huge list.
DeleteYou can get a pending certificate if you don't quality yet.
AWS would do papers. I think they're less than worthless, but they'd do them. There used to be a draft cross registry too, not sure if it's still around. There's also PHR. I think there's way more value to be added from spending that money on training and showing, but they're options.
ReplyDeleteI second this. I can't register Penn with any warmblood society except AWS. I'd rather he go around as an unregistered Oldenburg Thoroughbred cross that is a solid citizen. AWS I feel like is a catchall for horses who can't be registered elsewhere.
DeleteAWS (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) will paper pretty much anything with a heartbeat. I was going to say 4 legs, but there might be some wiggle room there. The registration is worth about as much as the paper it's printed on, but it is an option. If you have your heart set on papers, you could definitely get some... but I think the best way to hedge your bets in the unlikely event she needs a new home down the road is to just keep doing what you're doing. Develop her into a solid citizen -- those are typically not hard to re-home if need arises ☺
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I've never actually cared about a horse being registered. It's probably different in other disciplines, but for the hunter/jumpers it doesn't matter at all.
ReplyDeleteAlthough, I've mostly had geldings so maybe that's part of my indifference too. Jampy was a breeding stallion so I guess he was registered. If you think you would breed Zoe, then it might be more important to have her registered. But otherwise I'm not sure it's a necessity.
Depending on what you expect her to do, getting her a lifetime USEF registration may be more valuable than an AWS registration.
ReplyDeleteKachina is the gradiest of grade horses, like parentage not even known grade. The people I bought her from registered her in the pinto registry in the hopes that would up her value. The pinto registry is a joke IMO, it literally only requires that your horse has enough square inches of white that is not on legs or face. I semi-appreciate that I have both a formal looking document that says I bought her, and the opportunity to compete in the annual pinto show, but it did not affect my decision to buy her because it was pretty clear that the registration didn't mean anything real. Obviously pinto registration is not an option for Zoe but my point is that I think registration in a registry that doesn't mean much doesn't add much benefit. Do it if it's easy, but if it's hard or expensive I would recommend saving your money.
ReplyDeleteAmerican Warmblood. You have to get her inspected, but if she is a certain level of quality and passes their standards you can register her (and even brand her) with AWS.
ReplyDeleteAWS like others have said but the registry is known as kind of a catch all as they will literally take anything.
ReplyDeleteIf I were you I would save the money and spend it on continued development and experience. That will be more valuable for her in the long run I think :)
Lifetime USEF record with an associated show record would be better IMO!
ReplyDeleteDitto with the USEF registration
ReplyDeleteI had someone tell me once that you can't ride a set of papers, which was a really interesting way to put it. Not that there is anything wrong with a horse being registered, but that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. My gelding has an Appendix Certificate through AQHA, but being that he's a gelding, it really isn't that big of a deal to me. He's not a show horse and at t this point in his life, his lack of experience would be more detrimental to him than a lack of papers (if he were lacking them).
ReplyDeleteI agree with the others who said they'd invest in training and experience. Since those help you ride the horse and the papers in the long run really don't.
I agree with others, unless you think you might breed her, don't bother with a breed registry. The only other reason I can think of where it would be useful is then you'd be the owner of record. But probably the USEF registration would take care of that and it has another use also!
ReplyDeleteEh - I don't think it is a big deal if she's registered or not! Two of my three aren't registered.
ReplyDeleteI had the same debate regarding Gentry. And it came down to AWS or the Usef Performance Horse registry. I went with Usef. You can even get special Awards at the end of the year.
ReplyDeleteI've gone back and forth about getting Katai registered through the North American Sport Pony Registry. They have inspections and I'm curious what they'd think. Ultimately I think the only reason I'd do that is if I wanted to breed, otherwise I just don't see the point. I do hear you though, I've only ever owned one registered horse and the part I liked about it was knowing her background and her birthdate.
ReplyDeleteI think that sometimes having a grade horse is actually a benefit. For example, I don't want a registered TB. But I'd sure be interested in a TB cross. When I search for horses, I never search for just one breed. I mean, an ISH (the ultimate breed in my opinion lol) is a cross. They just decided to make it a breed. But these days, that "breed" really can be lots of different breed mixes. Ok, now I am getting off topic...And I agree that probably not worth registering. Mostly because you'll never sell her :)
ReplyDeleteWith the way she seemed to be moving in one of her lunging pictures, I totally wouldn't even worry about her being registered because she's going to be noticed either way! She moves adorable and she's black with the cutest little snip, register her under the unicorns of America association ��������
ReplyDeleteHamp registered with Draft Cross Registry of America (I think that's the name). He is also eligible for American Warmblood Society, but not American Warmblood Association. Or maybe it's the other way around? Can't remember. And of course USET Performance Horse Reg. Zoe would be eligable for all the same things Hamp is.
ReplyDeleteHer performance record will be most important. I would focus on that. Personally I only care about papers when I am buying something unstarted and I am buying based on bloodlines. I went through the stressful process of inspections and registering my filly due to her bloodlines and potential for breeding down the road.
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